HDtune umí čtení/zápis přes celý disk, či? Stejně jako umí jiné psí kusy, proto jsem si ho ostatně i koupil (mimo jiné). Přes něj všelijak testuju chování RAID řadičů v serveru, jsou tam značné rozdíly :)
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HDtune umí čtení/zápis přes
Artael https://cdr.cz/profil/artael
11. 7. 2022 - 11:32https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuseHDtune umí čtení/zápis přes celý disk, či? Stejně jako umí jiné psí kusy, proto jsem si ho ostatně i koupil (mimo jiné). Přes něj všelijak testuju chování RAID řadičů v serveru, jsou tam značné rozdíly :)https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuse#comment-1378440
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Placena verze HDtune PRO by to podle screenshotu umet mohla.
Plus jeste existuje SSD SlowMark, ale nemam vyzkousene, v jakem stavu zobrazi vysledek. Idealni by bylo mit par desitek SSD, vsechny kdy jmenovane placene i neplacene programy, vymyslet metodiku a otestovat vse naraz. Ovsem to uz vyzaduje uplne jine casove a financni moznosti.
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Placena verze HDtune PRO by
Noxik https://cdr.cz/autor/noxik
12. 7. 2022 - 15:35https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskusePlacena verze HDtune PRO by to podle screenshotu umet mohla.
Plus jeste existuje SSD SlowMark, ale nemam vyzkousene, v jakem stavu zobrazi vysledek. Idealni by bylo mit par desitek SSD, vsechny kdy jmenovane placene i neplacene programy, vymyslet metodiku a otestovat vse naraz. Ovsem to uz vyzaduje uplne jine casove a financni moznosti.https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuse#comment-1378497
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Tak pár desítek by bylo, ale zas tak pestré množství to není. Navíc když dneska sata rozhraní defakto hraje roli low-endu, bych se s tím necrcal. Další anti-motivátor by byl fakt, že se všechno ojebává přes cache, ať už fyzicky v podobě DRAMky, nebo v podobě SLC režimu na TLC flashce. BFU to řešit nebude, ale kdokoliv, kdo něco produkuje, ten už jo.
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Tak pár desítek by bylo, ale
Artael https://cdr.cz/profil/artael
12. 7. 2022 - 15:38https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuseTak pár desítek by bylo, ale zas tak pestré množství to není. Navíc když dneska sata rozhraní defakto hraje roli low-endu, bych se s tím necrcal. Další anti-motivátor by byl fakt, že se všechno ojebává přes cache, ať už fyzicky v podobě DRAMky, nebo v podobě SLC režimu na TLC flashce. BFU to řešit nebude, ale kdokoliv, kdo něco produkuje, ten už jo.https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuse#comment-1378499
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Chapem to dobre, ze po zaplneni nieco vyse tretiny disku padne rychlost na menej ako stvrtinu deklarovanej? To by bolo dost mizerne...
Alebo je to tak, ze ked zaplnim len tu tretinu disku, tak on si to potom na pozadi postupne prehadze zo SLC cache do MLC casti a rychlost sa po case obnovi?
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Chapem to dobre, ze po
heh https://cdr.cz/profil/heh
11. 7. 2022 - 12:35https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuseChapem to dobre, ze po zaplneni nieco vyse tretiny disku padne rychlost na menej ako stvrtinu deklarovanej? To by bolo dost mizerne...
Alebo je to tak, ze ked zaplnim len tu tretinu disku, tak on si to potom na pozadi postupne prehadze zo SLC cache do MLC casti a rychlost sa po case obnovi?https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuse#comment-1378448
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B je spravne.
Ked dojde SLC cache, tak rychlost padne na uroven rychlosti TLC buniek/radica(to je realna/dlhodoba rychlost tohto SSD). Na pozadi SSD presunie data do TLC a znovu bude dostupna SLC cache. So zaplnovanim disku velkost SLC cache bude klesat az pri urcitom zaplneni disku skonci na nejakej minimalnej/zakladnej hodnote.
SLC cahce je trik ako zrychlit SSD aj bez toho aby SSD bolo komplexejsie/drahsie(viackanalovy radic, viacer NAND flash,...). Ten trik si vyrobcovia mozu dovolit preto, lebo malokto nejak extra zatazuje disk.
Preto sa napriklad neujali intelovske Optane SSD, ktore mali vysoky vykon a vydrz(aj cenu).
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B je spravne.
odb https://cdr.cz/profil/odb
11. 7. 2022 - 13:11https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuseB je spravne.
Ked dojde SLC cache, tak rychlost padne na uroven rychlosti TLC buniek/radica(to je realna/dlhodoba rychlost tohto SSD). Na pozadi SSD presunie data do TLC a znovu bude dostupna SLC cache. So zaplnovanim disku velkost SLC cache bude klesat az pri urcitom zaplneni disku skonci na nejakej minimalnej/zakladnej hodnote.
SLC cahce je trik ako zrychlit SSD aj bez toho aby SSD bolo komplexejsie/drahsie(viackanalovy radic, viacer NAND flash,...). Ten trik si vyrobcovia mozu dovolit preto, lebo malokto nejak extra zatazuje disk.
Preto sa napriklad neujali intelovske Optane SSD, ktore mali vysoky vykon a vydrz(aj cenu).
https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuse#comment-1378452
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U TLC disku se zapisuji pri finalnim ulozeni tri bity do jedne bunky, pokud je pro SLC-cache vyuzivan cely prazdny SSD muze to znamenat teoreticky zapis az cca 1/3 kapacity vyssi rychlosti (v rezimu pseudo-SLC kdy se do jedne TLC bunky zapisuje pouze jeden bit) a az nasledne preulozeni dat radicem SSD z SLC-cache do bunek jiz ve finalnim TLC formatu (tri bity/cell). Coz jiz probiha podstatne pomaleji.
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U TLC disku se zapisuji pri
Lazar https://cdr.cz/profil/lazar
11. 7. 2022 - 13:35https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuseU TLC disku se zapisuji pri finalnim ulozeni tri bity do jedne bunky, pokud je pro SLC-cache vyuzivan cely prazdny SSD muze to znamenat teoreticky zapis az cca 1/3 kapacity vyssi rychlosti (v rezimu pseudo-SLC kdy se do jedne TLC bunky zapisuje pouze jeden bit) a az nasledne preulozeni dat radicem SSD z SLC-cache do bunek jiz ve finalnim TLC formatu (tri bity/cell). Coz jiz probiha podstatne pomaleji.https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuse#comment-1378454
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Hm, to nejsou vůbec špatné výsledky, kdo kdy na 240GB SSD potřebuje hrnout víc než 80GB v kuse? Nikdo. Takže z tohoto hlediska je ta SLC cache celkem OK. Jasně, při zaplněnosti blížící se kapacitě to bude drhnout, ale to ví každý co provozuje levné SSD. Já taky kupoval 500GB TLC Samsunga, i když takovou kapacitu nepotřebuji. I dnes mám ~350GB volného místa (většinový stav, kdy nemám na SSD žádný větší balík provozních dat, to to pak klesá klidně někam lehce pod 200GB - prostě na 250GB modelu už by čas od času bejvalo hodně těsno)
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Hm, to nejsou vůbec špatné
David Ježek https://cdr.cz/autor/david-jezek
11. 7. 2022 - 20:41https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuseHm, to nejsou vůbec špatné výsledky, kdo kdy na 240GB SSD potřebuje hrnout víc než 80GB v kuse? Nikdo. Takže z tohoto hlediska je ta SLC cache celkem OK. Jasně, při zaplněnosti blížící se kapacitě to bude drhnout, ale to ví každý co provozuje levné SSD. Já taky kupoval 500GB TLC Samsunga, i když takovou kapacitu nepotřebuji. I dnes mám ~350GB volného místa (většinový stav, kdy nemám na SSD žádný větší balík provozních dat, to to pak klesá klidně někam lehce pod 200GB - prostě na 250GB modelu už by čas od času bejvalo hodně těsno)https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuse#comment-1378459
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Kto to potrebuje? Ja jednorazovo, keď migrujem z HDD na SSD :)
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Tomas A https://cdr.cz/profil/tomxx
12. 7. 2022 - 10:20https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuseKto to potrebuje? Ja jednorazovo, keď migrujem z HDD na SSD :)https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuse#comment-1378468
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Tos eště neudělal?! I já staromilec jsem zmigroval před 6 lety.
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Tos eště neudělal?! I já
David Ježek https://cdr.cz/autor/david-jezek
12. 7. 2022 - 20:59https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuseTos eště neudělal?! I já staromilec jsem zmigroval před 6 lety.https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuse#comment-1378514
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Sebe by som také ssd určite nekúpil, myslel som že keď robím servis nejakého starého pc :)
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Sebe by som také ssd určite
Tomas A https://cdr.cz/profil/tomxx
13. 7. 2022 - 05:05https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuseSebe by som také ssd určite nekúpil, myslel som že keď robím servis nejakého starého pc :) https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuse#comment-1378534
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Ktorú utilitu používaš na migráciu Windows 10 systémov z HDD na SSD?
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Ktorú utilitu používaš na
kypec https://cdr.cz/profil/kypec
13. 7. 2022 - 09:45https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuseKtorú utilitu používaš na migráciu Windows 10 systémov z HDD na SSD?https://cdr.cz/blog/patriot-burst-elite-240gb-sata-ssd-ctenarsky-blog-potreti/diskuse#comment-1378570
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Ovšem tam to stejně drhne na rychlosti toho zdrojového HDD, která nebude u starého PC vyšší, takže je to jedno.
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Placena verze HDtune PRO by to podle screenshotu umet mohla.
Plus jeste existuje SSD SlowMark, ale nemam vyzkousene, v jakem stavu zobrazi vysledek. Idealni by bylo mit par desitek SSD, vsechny kdy jmenovane placene i neplacene programy, vymyslet metodiku a otestovat vse naraz. Ovsem to uz vyzaduje uplne jine casove a financni moznosti.
Tak pár desítek by bylo, ale zas tak pestré množství to není. Navíc když dneska sata rozhraní defakto hraje roli low-endu, bych se s tím necrcal. Další anti-motivátor by byl fakt, že se všechno ojebává přes cache, ať už fyzicky v podobě DRAMky, nebo v podobě SLC režimu na TLC flashce. BFU to řešit nebude, ale kdokoliv, kdo něco produkuje, ten už jo.
Chapem to dobre, ze po zaplneni nieco vyse tretiny disku padne rychlost na menej ako stvrtinu deklarovanej? To by bolo dost mizerne...
Alebo je to tak, ze ked zaplnim len tu tretinu disku, tak on si to potom na pozadi postupne prehadze zo SLC cache do MLC casti a rychlost sa po case obnovi?
B je spravne.
Ked dojde SLC cache, tak rychlost padne na uroven rychlosti TLC buniek/radica(to je realna/dlhodoba rychlost tohto SSD). Na pozadi SSD presunie data do TLC a znovu bude dostupna SLC cache. So zaplnovanim disku velkost SLC cache bude klesat az pri urcitom zaplneni disku skonci na nejakej minimalnej/zakladnej hodnote.
SLC cahce je trik ako zrychlit SSD aj bez toho aby SSD bolo komplexejsie/drahsie(viackanalovy radic, viacer NAND flash,...). Ten trik si vyrobcovia mozu dovolit preto, lebo malokto nejak extra zatazuje disk.
Preto sa napriklad neujali intelovske Optane SSD, ktore mali vysoky vykon a vydrz(aj cenu).
U TLC disku se zapisuji pri finalnim ulozeni tri bity do jedne bunky, pokud je pro SLC-cache vyuzivan cely prazdny SSD muze to znamenat teoreticky zapis az cca 1/3 kapacity vyssi rychlosti (v rezimu pseudo-SLC kdy se do jedne TLC bunky zapisuje pouze jeden bit) a az nasledne preulozeni dat radicem SSD z SLC-cache do bunek jiz ve finalnim TLC formatu (tri bity/cell). Coz jiz probiha podstatne pomaleji.
Hm, to nejsou vůbec špatné výsledky, kdo kdy na 240GB SSD potřebuje hrnout víc než 80GB v kuse? Nikdo. Takže z tohoto hlediska je ta SLC cache celkem OK. Jasně, při zaplněnosti blížící se kapacitě to bude drhnout, ale to ví každý co provozuje levné SSD. Já taky kupoval 500GB TLC Samsunga, i když takovou kapacitu nepotřebuji. I dnes mám ~350GB volného místa (většinový stav, kdy nemám na SSD žádný větší balík provozních dat, to to pak klesá klidně někam lehce pod 200GB - prostě na 250GB modelu už by čas od času bejvalo hodně těsno)
Kto to potrebuje? Ja jednorazovo, keď migrujem z HDD na SSD :)
Tos eště neudělal?! I já staromilec jsem zmigroval před 6 lety.
Sebe by som také ssd určite nekúpil, myslel som že keď robím servis nejakého starého pc :)
Ktorú utilitu používaš na migráciu Windows 10 systémov z HDD na SSD?
Na 99% clonezilla.
Ovšem tam to stejně drhne na rychlosti toho zdrojového HDD, která nebude u starého PC vyšší, takže je to jedno.
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